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Don’t take anyone for granted

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Many times, it happens, may not be intentionally, but it happens
– we take for granted, our close relatives, friends, colleagues, neighbors, even the precious life handed over to us on a gold platter.

Never do that. Even with your wife, whom you expect not to go away, come what may, whatever be your careless treatment.

She may not leave you physically but her mind will treat you as an untouchable. That is a worst condition. Even physical separation may not hurt as much as mental separation, remaining under the same roof.

I don’t mean that you should smile at everyone in the family, including your wife, from morning to even or buy a bouquet for her often. Sincerity in your talk, behavior, treatment is much more valuable than bouquets and flowery words.

Taking for granted hurts even a low paid security guard at your gate, as he too is a human being. Even animals and birds don’t do that. And we claim a higher place in the hierarchy, the highest place.

Why do we worship Nandi and Garuda, giving them a honorable place, right before the sanctum, though they are only mounts, carriers of the gods? The gods always watch them to ensure that they are not harmed

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Avial, Avaniavittam and others

Do you like our ‘avial’ ? Each ‘ kashnam ‘ piece of vegetable, maintains its identity . Despite their difference , when avial is served, it adds fragrance to the food and tickles our taste buds.

I used to dislike our ‘avial’ Iyer ‘bhasha’ as a student in the midst of Malyalam- speaking friends but now, I feel that it has a unique flavor of its own.

‘En vayatherichalai enthukku ippadi kottikkarael ? ‘Ammalu’s complaint to me. In Malayalam, the same love-bashing will be, “‘enthina ennae inganae upadravikkunnathu ?’

Meaning almost the same, but the emphasis differs .

Where is the anaemic ‘ upadravikkunathu’ before the majestic ‘vayatherichal kottikarael ?

When I went to Thiruvanathapuram for my wedding, I was irritated by the way the children there, were addressing me as ‘Oi’ often. I wanted to pinch their ears, privately, as a bridegroom is not expected to that publicly.

‘I don’t like this ‘Oi’ and ‘pai’,’ I told my dad.
‘Vaayai moodikkindu irum, Oi,’ said my dad. Keep your mouth shut, Oi’!

I also wanted to punch the belly of an elderly relative from Momkombu, when he abused me for my ‘meesai’ moustache, calling me kazhuveridamon’. ‘Anthakazhuverida monte meesayum avanum’,

this was how he complimented me, at my back, when I was leaving him, after taking his blessings.

‘Kazuveride mon’ is a bad word. But it was not so for that Monkombu vaadyar and other elders, I was told. My father- in- law used to talk to me mostly in Malyalam. ‘Edo thante Rudram ennae virappitchu- I shivered in fear hearing your Rudram-‘, he told me, after hearing my Rudram Japam in the Sreekanteswarm temple.
Iyer families in Vaikom and Thiruvanthapuram had a sightly variant dialect those days. Some of their food items also had variance. For eg. ‘Maalaadu’ was one of their favorite sweet items, which I had not enjoyed till my marriage day.(On wedding-day anything will be enjoyable,maalaadu or paalaadu and that is another issue) .

Kappai pappadam, I had never seen before; now I bring them in tons to US. The very word ‘Kappai’ I used to dislike as it rhymes with ‘kuppai’ trash! Now, as I love Kappai pappadam being introduced to by my mamiyar, MIL, I rhyme it with ‘Suppai’
how my ThAtha Subramania Iyer was called by the then Raja of Palakkad. Let both the good souls rest in peace. Raja because he gave a free shelter in his ‘idam- home’ for ThAtha, where I was born and ‘Suppai’ ThAtha as he used to bring Neiyyappam from HemAmbika temple, where he was a manager. I never had such a tasty appam from anywhere in the country.

”Ponna poranthavall ellam sappida okkarungo ‘ My wife’s Chellamma athai, whom I have immortalized in my Pitchumani story used to invite the women folk of the family for food. In Palakkad we don’t call them ‘ponna poranthava or born as women!’

I am for preserving our unique identities such as our own dialects, dress habits, Chandana kuri, the two-inch-long sandal paste mark on the forehead, our Malayalam -mixed Tamil dialect etc as such. The present generation born in 1 BHK or 2 BHK flats in towns and cities would have hardly heard words like thinnai, kootam and kottukoodams of our old houses. Our sons and daughters are choosing their partners speaking different languages. So the children in future will be talking language different from what our parents or even we, spoke or are speaking. I’m not able to follow the English accent of my grand children.

Avaniavittam, during my childhood was great occasion for us. My sons might remember that word. My grandson will have to refer dictionary to know what it is!

So let us enjoy the treasure handed over to us by our forbears.

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Error in our child raising?

image‘Though I don’t believe in God, shall make a onetime exception and pray for your speedy recovery,’ said an youngster, related to me, who called yesterday from another country to enquire about my health.

I was happy about the sacrifice he was prepared to make for my sake but felt sorry wondering why our youngsters are turning their face away from God, may be temporarily. What is that lacking in our family system that fails in developing love for God?
Could it be that we are not able to install a true picture of God in the tender minds.

‘God helps. Trust in Him, but study, you WILL pass the exam’

We should have told them, ‘study well. Your passing the exam depends purely on the correctness of your answer’. We should not have given God the responsibility of correcting his papers, as it is impractical, irrespective of the number of hands He has!

‘We tell them, ‘your mother is critical. But don’t worry, God will help her’

That doesn’t happen. All her her vital systems have failed. What can God do? He can’t create so many duplicates in the flash of a moment. And there are millions of critical patients who might need billions of new organs !

That leads to hatred of God, not even dislike , in the young mind. God failed to do what was expected from him ( small ‘ h’ for ‘him’ intentional, as God has become an insignificant ‘person’ for the child!

What a pity!
‘Anoranooyan Mahato maheeyan’
He is smaller than the smallest; greater than the greatest’
( Katha Upanishad)

‘Na tatra Sooryo bhaathi na Chandra taarakam,
Nema vidyotho baanthi kuthoyamagni:
Thameva bhaanthamanyubhaathi sarvam
Thasya bhaasa sarvamidham vibhaathi’

( many Upanishads declare this truth)

It is not the Sun, Moon or stars and not even the lightning or even Fire which we call illuminates, that brightens the universe. There is a Super Power Source that illuminates them all.

That is God in our dictionary. Not an exam correcting teacher or a plastic factory owner!

From the beginning if God was introduced as a phenomenon and not as a person, in due course, by their own experience, they will have God- realization, perhaps.

Anyway bringing up a child is not a joke. If you have brought up a child, you know that. If you haven’t, make an attempt, God willing!

How will God will, man! All your juicy organs have gone absolutely dry like the Hyderabad summer!

Be realistic.

In the picture. Baltimore sky, last evening.

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Poverty is unbearable

Poverty is unbearable. Absolute poverty is absolutely unbearable. Only those who suffered poverty themselves will understand the suffering of others.
I remember these two lines from a Malayalam poem, which convey this message:

ദാരിദ്രമെന്നുള്ള തറിഞ്ഞ വർക്കേ
പാരിൽ പര ക്ലേശ വിവേകം ഉള്ളു

Daaridramennulatharinjavarkkae
Paaril paraklesa vivekamullu.

Many families have survived with only Kanji, the semi liquid rice and a chammandhi for a side dish, which has only a few onion and green or red chilli pieces and salt crystals added for taste.

When Thankam ( name changed) joined our institute she didn’t have a pair of footwear to wear. To enter a Medical Institute barefooted, was not allowed but our Director, considering her financial background didn’t object. He didn’t even advance a small amount lest it would have hurt her feelings. Only after drawing her first salary she could buy the footwear.

She was a top class assistant. She took care of her family too, by educating her siblings and securing them life partners. In the process, she neglected her health, didn’t take timely medicine for BP and had a stroke, when she was around 50. She died after a few years with memory loss.

She was a frail girl, thin and spicy like a green chilli.
Once I told her, ‘ when you joined the institute you, you were thin and spicy like a green chilli. Twenty years are over now but neither your body weight has gone up by an ounce nor your spiciness has comedown a bit. Wonder how you could maintain your status quo so efficiently!’

‘Simple, Sir,’ she replied, ‘ my staple food for twenty years before drawing my first salary was green chilli thokayal and kanji for side dish’.

I remembered Thangham for no reason this morning and enquired another former colleague about her daughters.

‘They are married and well settled in life, Sir’, he replied.
Good. They never had to live on kanji and thokayal. Nor they would have attended their workplace barefooted.

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Signs and signals

 
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‘Anna, thenkai first classaa odanchuthu,’ my brother Vicha tells me when I call him to greet on the dawn of Vishu, every year. ‘The coconut for Vishukkani broke into identical halves,’- that is what he says and it is a great news for him.
‘This year, things will go smoothly. Nothing to worry till next Vishu’ – that is his belief, trust.
He has inherited that belief from my father who, though lenient in my traditional practices, was a firm believer in the way coconuts get cut for poojas and auspicious occasions. That gave him indications for the good or bad happenings in the family. If the coconut for the Vishukkani got cut uniformly into two halves, it is a sign for the auspiciousness for the whole year.
We all know, my brother knows, my father too knew the impracticality of only good events happening throughout the year. But, it gives a momentary satisfaction that things are going to be good. And that satisfaction is a great thing on the dawn of a new year. Unfortunately, the reverse too is true. So, what I do is, if the coconut breaks well, I feel happy. If it doesn’t, I don’t worry. I take refuge under the wise escape root devised by our elders, ‘whatever has to happen will happen’. Swamy Saranam!
The coconut cracks  give hope for some thoughts.
With a prayer on our lips, we throw a coconut on the granite slab before the Chathapuram or Pazhavangadi (TVM) or any Mahaganapathy temple . It cracks into several peaces. We feel happiness. It is that momentary happiness and satisfaction which is important. After all, life is sewn with so many moments and if we could bring happiness and satisfaction by such small, small acts, what is harm in it?
But, as I said above, what happens, if the coconut doesn’t crack into multi pieces? Chances are almost nil. Our ancestors wisely selected coconut, not banana or brinjal!
Generally, I feel that we should not take the signs and signals too seriously. I have an article on this topic and I shall share with you in due course.

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An umbrella story

 
Heavy rains. Will you pray God to stop it ? I won’t. There might be a purpose for the rains, if not for me but for the farmer, for the tanks or wells.
So, I buy an umbrella . My purpose is served.
One advantage in not blaming God for our sufferings is, it opens a door to find a solution of own own like buying an umbrella. Otherwise, we blame God, either sit in a corner and weep or shout at our wife, if she is not like my Ammalu!
More I shout, more cool, calm, composed will be, my woman!
It is difficult to handle such women, especially if she happens to be our wife.
So, what do I do? I won’t shout. I will throw a fake smile at her, ( which she knows is fake ) and tell her my problem. She will suggest a solution, either immediately or after, having a sip of hot, hot coffee in a brass tumbler. I don’t know how she converts coffee seeds into herbs, but that coffee certainly gives her a solution.
On a second thought, I think, it is not the medicinal value of the coffee seeds but her cool brain, which get enough time to work, when she lifts the tumbler a few inches above her mouth and allows the liquid to fall into her mouth in drops! When you sip and gulp coffee, where is time to think?
Anyway, a solution has surfaced . That is important.
“Let us do like thing,” she starts. Remember she doesn’t say, ‘you do like this’. It is me who has to act on the problem but she says, ‘let US do like this’- that is wife!
So, what did I say? Nothing. Going to say now:
Consult your wife first, for your problems. She is your umbrella, for rain and for hot sun too.
 
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My life story- Trichur life — part 1

October 31, is important for me too.
It was on that day, at 58, exactly 20 years before, I retired from service. Mahtab S Bamji, 60, was another colleague who retired along with me, the same day.
While thanking the Director and other colleagues at the farewell get together, I didn’t forget to mention Smt. Saroja, who was instrumental for my entry into the prestigious Institution, which I served for nearly four decades except for a short interval when I went on deputation in a senior capacity at another National Institute.
Smt. Saroja with her husband Ramachandran and their kid, occupied the side portion of our house. My Appa, casually told Saroja, soon after my clearing the exam, to help me in getting a position, as all parents of those days used to do. She spoke to her father in the Pasture Institute, Conoor and within a week, I received the appointment order, without any formal personal interview. I was asked to report to one Dr, Ganapathy, Ganapathy Agraharam, Poonkunnam, Trichur. By that time, I had another job offer as a Silt Analyst, also from a Government Inst. in Assam, at a much higher salary, more than double, but Appa said,” Trichur is only two hours journey from home. You can come on week ends or I can go there to see you. Assam is 4 days’ journey” . So, no Assam. My loving father never knew, nor me then, that within six months, I would be transferred to Hyderabad, for ever!
Dr. Ganpathy Iyer of Ganapathy Agraharam, my first boss, would be a prominent oldie, with a pot belly, who would yell if my chemical analysis go wrong somewhere, was my fear, which I shared with Appa too.” He can’t be worse than me; you will be able to manage him”. He encouraged me.
To my surprise, the person I reported for duty, was an young, charming personality, smiling, courteous, soft spoken and his wife who had joined him, a few months before, was an ideal match for him in looks and behavior. I was a brother with a different mother, for that young couple. Dr. Ganapathy’s mother also stayed with the newly married couple and I used to enjoy the daughter in law’s ” Amma, poochai vandathu” and the elderly lady’s correction, “poochai alla, poonai nnu chollu”
Dr. Ganapathy, after coming to Hyderabad, resigned and later became a legend in serving lepers. For the sacrifices he made, he was awarded a Padma . There was no need for that. His wife Padma was the biggest award God gave him. Not long before his death, he came to Hyderabad to attend a conference on leprosy along with his wife. She was kind enough to visit me and I went to meet him in his hotel room. He was exhausted after the meeting and I asked why he came for the conference with such fragile body. “My eagerness to support my patients hasn’t become fragile, Shiva”, he said smiling. I won’t be seeing that smile again, but his patients and innumerable others, benefitted by his support, will continue to, throughout their life, in their mind.
An hour after my reporting to him, there comes Dr. M.C. Swaminathan, his senior and our team head at Trichur. Man! such a simple and friendly officer, I never had in my career. We became friends , right from the first meeting.
I was lucky to attend his wedding at Chennai, later. We became still closer, when Swaminathans bought a house near mine and the friendship still continues. They are in USA now, with their daughters.
( To continue )

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if you want water

If you want water, don’t command from your seat;  get up, walk down to the kitchen, drink, wash the tumbler and return. If you drop your shirt button, don’t expect someone to come ; you bend, search and pick it up. In fact, it is good for your back , if you drop something or other half a dozen times, bend and pick up. All these small things help, in keeping you fit.Lying on my back, before raising from the bed, I do cycling in the air, 20,30,50 times and it forces my arthritic knees to cooperate in walking.  This simple exercise works better than my tryst with tread mill.  Like an elephant, I keep one part or the other of my body moving, neck to toe, which increases the flexibility of my body. You may laugh at me, but I don’t want to become a laughing stock later. Yes, that word came automatically but it is apt. Sometime, apt words appear in your tongue. If you are a daughter in law of old type, you would have experienced their sharpness.  Here, I said that word is apt, because, ‘stock’ is an inventory and it doesn’t move on its own. 
 
Earlier, as a part of my body- movement exercise, I was doing facial movements too which, especially in the presence of women from outside, proved disastrous. still, at times, I move my lips horizontally, but if my daughter or daughter in law happens to see that, they raise their forefinger to their lip and warn silently. While doing that exercise, our servant woman happened to be there once and only once. she copied my action. I didn’t like that. I didn’t reserve it; was staying yards away.  
If you have no freedom to turn your lips, to right or left , in your own house, 65 years after gaining independence, was all the sacrifices we made worth?

Sandya worship, facing the rising or setting Sun is always a pleasure. Apart from sharpening my intellect and mind, it gives me plenty of scope for body movement. Eyes beam at the benevolent rays’ varnishing the whole sky, golden or purple. The finger movements on the face has to be strictly as per the prescription and not as if you are tickling your lover’s hip or back. I can’sit on my heels for a long time but I am trying to regain that lost skill. But to enjoy the Gayatri’s beauty, when you close your eyes, your inner eyes should open. For some, the inner ears will open; No good.

  Inhalation and exhalation has to be proper. 
 
Count the number of times you breathe in a minute. Now look at the mirror. Vedic rishis have said that if your breath count is less than 10 per minute, you will exude youth, beauty and glow. If it is above 15, you have fallen prey to disease, sadness and old age.” says  yogi Aswini.

” As a rule, if you are able, my teacher Srivatsa Ramaswami says you should inhale five seconds and exhale ten seconds, the idea being that when you exhale more, more toxins go out, and also with the longer exhalation, the stomach gets more empty and the inhaling capacity increases. Swami Sachidananda says that the ordinary breath gives you only 500 cubic centimeters whereas with dirga svasam you can increase it to seven times more: 3500 cm. Ancient yogis are known to have the ability to inhale 48 seconds, 96 seconds exhale, and four times retention!”, says Perinkulam Ramanthan, yoga expert,  New Jersey.
In his ripe old age, he grows fresh, green vegetables which develops pink roses in his wife’s face.
 
In your old age, if you can develop a vegetable garden in your backyard and a rose garden in your wife’s face, you are lucky.   
 
 Sooryanamskarams helps a complete, head to toe, muscles move, blood flow.
 
Show me any Ganesh idol on the road side or under a banyan tree, I am there, bending my head and holding opposite earlobes,, one, two, three several times,
 I don’t want to bend before everyone later, better let me do it now, before the little charming idol and make my neck muscles stronger.
There are app. 650 skeletal muscles in our body.” Muscles function to produce force and motion. They are primarily responsible for maintaining and changing posture, locomotion, as well as movement of internal organs, such as the contraction of the heart and the movement of food through the digestive system via peristalsis.” says Wikipedia.You may not be in your winter, but winter has to follow a summer. So, be prepared And if you are already in winter, go to kitchen, collect your plate, sit on the floor and eat. Important: Before you eat, bend and serve your wife .You will live long. Your wife has already achieved long life for her, by hard work . Gone are the days of aattukkal, ammi, oral, olakkai and other hard cooking  implements which were the  sentinels for the health of our women folk . We can still retain our broom stick for sweeping and white cloth for mopping the floor. If you have these two and use them regularly , there is no need for a gym at home.
 
Whenever I come to USA, a watermelon grows in my belly, for want of walk, walk which was part of my life at Hyderabad. Looking pitiably at that growth, I asked my nephew, Dr. Ramu,
 
“what to do?”
 
”Cut carbo and take a walk after food”, he advised .
 
I have switched over to wheat diet to reduce my carbohydrate intake .
 
About walk after a meal:

“Over the years, researchers have found that a post-meal walk, as short as 15 minutes, can in fact help with digestion and improve blood sugar levels. In one study in 2008, German researchers looked at what happened when people ate a large meal and then consumed either an espresso or an alcoholic digestif — like brandy or flavored liqueur — or walked at a slow pace on a treadmill. Walking, they found, sped the rate at which food moved through the stomach. The beverages had no effect.

In other studies, researchers have found that walking has a significant effect on blood sugar after meals. Blood sugar typically rises and then falls after eating, but large spikes and variations can raise cardiovascular riskand potentially signal diabetes”.

 
Remember the words of Nambeesan Vaidyar in Sreekanteswaram, long ago.
 
”Rento,nalo chakram ulla rakshasanmar untenkil, avarae vadhikku”
 
Discard if you have a two or a four w
heeler. The literal meaning is ” kill if there are two or four wheeled demons with you” .
 
Before that, even to post a letter into the box across, I used to take a vehicle . To shout at someone a mile away, now, I walk and by the time I reach his place, my fuel gets exhausted and I smile at him. ”I thought,you came to rain blows”,he asks.
‘No, to drain my fat”,  I reply 
 
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Teach him to hit back: Inculcate a small dosage of courage‏

 
” Teach him to hit back.” This was what I told a net friend, who followed my earlier suggestion to teach his child some simple hymns and asked how he should proceed further. He was taken aback;  I could hear his gasping for words.
 
” Sir, are you the correct person whom I wanted to talk to?.”  He continued as if by my mistake, he had entered a Hyderabad biriyani hotel, wearing an exposed sacred thread across his shoulders. ” Earlier you exhorted the importance of guiding children through the path of devotion and hitting or kicking was not a part of it.”
” Exactly.”  I conceded.” Retaliation was not a part of it but I want your son to be taught that art too. Let him learn a few more short hymns with meaning and then you can go to the next level. Simultaneously, you should teach him to be fearless and that includes hitting back , if necessary.”
Another net friend was more outspoken, when he wondered, ” the other day you spoke like a saint and today..”.  I intervened and completed, ” and today, I am talking like a Satan, right ?”
“Thank you sir, my wife wants me. ” He wanted  to escape from me, but I tried to detain him.” Young man, please ask her to pick up the parallel phone.”
” Sorry Sir, she never speaks on parallel connection,”  said the dutiful husband and  put down the phone. Now, let me explain to you why I wanted the fathers to inculcate a small dosage of courage into the veins of their children. I consider that as important as the knowledge on their culture, customs and class room study.
All of you know that I am not a saint and a few know that I am not a Satan even. It is not an issue which affects you. It doesn’t even affect my own people because they are aware that I can neither do the good of a saint nor the harm of a devil. The issue here is not that at all.  My emphasis on emboldening the kids is due to my experience that at the individual and community level Brahmins are not as bold as others. I wish I am proved wrong.  All the other communities are united in their assessment that brahmins are spineless.f
That blot has to be removed. In the olden days the Brahmins were revered as ‘Boodevas’ or gods on the earth, as they were unselfish and dedicated their life in prayers and for the welfare of the society.Today, they work for their own uplift. The devotional path I suggested earlier was to ensure a smooth sail and what I am advocating now is also for the same purpose. We are not even hissing now, when biting has become unavoidable  to save our self, our pride, our family, our stand in the society. Building your body to make it fit to resist diseases and hit back the one who hits you, is equally important as studying Vedas or sastras or singing hymns . I say this from my experience. If you disagree with me, you can put down the phone. Your wife might want you.
Though born in the citadel of Kerala Iyers, Kalpathy, I was raised in a non-brahmin  environ, ours being the only brahmin family there. My father chose that place as business prospects were good there. Timber sales was prospering, as merchants from the neighboring Tamil speaking state, thronged . Our shop was near the Railway station and the floating public was a prominent source of business. Muslims formed a good percentage of the population, mostly doing menial jobs, railway porters, coolies and also as some shopkeepers, street vendors etc.  The timber brokers were mostly Muslims and right from my childhood, I had closely observed their skill in negotiating with the buyers and sellers and reach at a price acceptable to both. Once the transaction is struck, then starts the negotiation with the Railways or truck managers for transporting the wood to the respective destination. The mostly illiterate or semi literate Muslims exhibited unbelievable skill in negotiations and getting the work done. So were the moothans, pillais, Chettiars and others in the Palakkad angadi or wholesale market, which I used to visit often along with my father.  They had no pen power, Most of them didn’t know even to sign their names,  but their mind was sharp and their body was strong. The early experience with big and small  merchants helped me much  later, when I took up an entirely new profession, after my retirement in a senior position in the  Government service. That was selling clothes ! As the area manager of Bombay Dyeing company, I could negotiate with MDs and VPs of corporate houses for their requirement of uniform clothes for their workers  and also with small retail outlets with equal ease. Five years I worked in that capacity and obtained a number of saris for my wife at concessional rate. Chasing in hot sun, settus and mudalies is no hardship at all, if you can make your wife smile with a new Bombay Dyeing sari every other day !
The Muslim kids were just ‘thrown’ to the market, soon after they completed their elementary schooling or preliminary training in the madarsas, religious schools. Mostly they had to feed themselves and even feed their parents and siblings soon they enter the teen age.The kids used to catch fish, bring vegetables from the Palakkad angadi and sell in retail, carrying them on their head in a basket initially, then in a bicycle or engage in other petty business like buying firewood from big shops and selling to tea shops and hoteliers. When boys from other communities complete the SSLC or enter the college , the Muslim kids would have started their own shops, though in a small scale. As they were forced to stand on their own legs, right from their first- alphabetical age, they had to struggle for existence and that helped them immensely to face the life courageously. They had to fight for their very survival. That made them, men. There is a saying in Malayalam, “Maappila kutty, mony kutty- Mulim boys are smart.”
On the other hand, in the agraharam across the river, even in very poor families, children were somehow sent for studies and most of them did well and were able to complete the matriculation. They were given a lot of affection and the over protection, in some cases, made them meek. They were  obedient to their parents, a commendable quality no doubt, but excess obedience curtailed, at least in some cases, their ability to think objectively and analyze problems impartially.  The excess doses of god-fearing the ‘Ummachi kannaikuthum’ threat, and ‘don’t touch this, don’t touch that’ advises, all made with good intention on the part of the parents, contributed for the lack of intrepidity in the kids.They lacked the spirit of adventure.
 No doubt the children grew as ‘ideal’ sons and admirable students but their presence was scanty in play grounds or literary debates or college elections. By virtue of their abilities they should have been in the forefront in all the above fields, but they were mostly at the back seat, except in the classrooms. Those who had to stop their studies at the matriculation level, either joined as clerks, teachers or worked as gumasthas under the shopkeepers. Some got trained in shorthand and typewriting and caught the next available train to Bombay and prospered. Among them, how many took efforts to start their own business or work independently,  I do not know. Those who were forced to stay back and work under moothans and chetttiar or Muslim settus too had ample opportunity to start something of their own independently, initially in a small level which could have been expanded and enlarged in due course.Very few attempted that . However, many of our boys who joined as servers in hotels, opened their own shops with the support of their kind brahmin employers. General tendency was to stay safe under the patronage of the employer, instead of  venturing out  in the sun and toil. Avoid adventures and risk taking, was their general stand.
“Sukama kulikkanam, chappadanam, thoonkanam. – nice bath, sumptuous food and sound sleep “- Simple and contented life That was their aim.”What else is required in life,?” you may ask.  Nothing more then. Not now.
A farmer knows how to protect his crops by scaring the crows or killing the rats and pigs. Our children should know that.
How to train them in scaring the crows and killing the pests ?These are some simple methods I find useful, from my personal experience. You are welcome to hear these suggestions or keep down your phone. Your wife might need you.
1.Likes,dislikes, jealousy,affection, compassion, desires and all such characteristics accompany babies when they enter this world. Love them as innocent babies but treat them as grown ups. They watch your movements, hear your words and learn them when they grow and try to imitate you at a certain age and worship you for a short while and dislike you when you do something not to their liking. Never neglect your kids.”avan kozhanthai thanae, avanukku enna theriium- he is a kid after all, what does he know?” attitude of yours is not acceptable to him. Many of your words and behavior will be remembered by him till his last day. I am awestruck sometime at the questions my grand kids ask . We never dared to ask such questions when we were of their age and even many years latter. From the very early days, the kids  absorb what we say or what they see, and retain them  in their memory and question us when they come across a contrast or contradiction. So, behave in the presence of your child.
2. When your kid toddles and falls, don’t rush to help him to get up. Let him raise on his own, doesn’t matter even if it ends in more slipping and continuous wailing. When you teach you kid swimming, you can only show the technique. You cannot swim for him.  He has to swim. The first step for that is regaining the balance on his own while toddling.
3. In the initial stage, the parents first and then the siblings influence the child, most. All in the family are the role models for the kid.  A child  grown in an abusive atmosphere is unlikely to become a calm and compassionate adult. Never scream at anyone in the house, even at your wife, an innocent woman obeying your every word. If she is a type who retorts, naturally you will not shout at her but you will shout at the kid. Avoid that. He will retort when he grows up and you sag.
4. Never beat your kid. You are at the wrong end of the stick if you use a stick to discipline your child.  ‘Kozhanthaikalai aditchu valarthanum’- is an outdated method. We raised four kids without hitting even once, without even screaming at them.  My father raised six of us by disciplining us just by rolling his eye balls and staring us for a few seconds. I like the type of punishment the parents award here, in USA. That is called ‘sit out’ . The kid is made to sit in a corner for 10 or 20 minutes, not allowing to mover or talk. For a honey bee- like vibrant kid, it is a big punishment. I don’t mind sitting in a corner for hours together. That is why I am not given that punishment by my children.
” Appa, will you stop singing for five minutes ?,” they request. They are intelligent; I raised them without the help of a stick .
5.Allow the kid to play outside if you are satisfied that the area is safe. Let him earn the friendship of the Nature and see for himself the beauty of the sky, trees, birds and animals. The Nature is a big, benevolent guru.  Let him play with other kids.  If he comes home complaining that his friend hit him, ask him to return the hit next time. Don’t show excess concern at anytime, if he returns home, get hurt, even if he fractures a limb.Take him to a doctor and get the problem attended to. The kid should play, fight with other kids, fall, get hurt, get drenched in rain, get roasted in the sun, get used to all type of weather.  Make him weather proof. that is not done by encasing him in your sari folds or enriching him with unlimited pampering.  If you want him to grow into a healthy adult, efficient and responsible, helpful to himself and the family and useful to the society, allow him to face the waggeries of the weather, the waves of the ocean of life.
6 Allow the child to talk and ask questions . Never say, ‘vayai moodu’ or shut up. many questions children ask are difficult to answer. Try to answer as many questions as possible and  as many times as required, patiently and intelligently. That will increase his inquisitiveness. The ‘Shut up’ order will dampen the spirit of questioning. Don’t be a land roller on his inquisitiveness . A grand daughter of my extended family, Anika (3 +) was repeatedly chatting seated on the back seat of the car and her mother, Aashu, who was driving the car was going on encouraging her. I didn’t question my niece, a medical specialist, why she was doing that stupid thing, which might divert her attention and also tire the kid, thought I wanted to, as I was trained to think before questioning. That waiting paid me. The kid was telling stories, fabricated from her own imagination and the learned mother was encouraging her.”You know mom, the huge Vancouver mountains developed their own wings and suddenly raised up, up and up and dashed the clouds, tushum, tushum and it rained filling the Vancouver lakes and, and, our house front, ah, I swam, I swam and Avuukth jumped into the water and flashed——” her story went on .
7. Some kids might be hyper active like Ishaan, my sister’s grandson. He is in midway between 3 & 4, aggressive but extremely affectionate.  For a week end, my nephews and nieces had come to my eldest son’s house here, in Baltimore, as they do often.  My daughter in law was making dosai  and she served the first round to the mail members as is the usual practice. Little Ishaan, watching from a corner, was fuming in anger and dashed into the kitchen, pulled the dress of Meghana and in a voice mixed with anger and helplessness, yelled, ‘Amma needs dosai’. His mother’s eyes swelled with tears and mind with motherly pride. “Here is my son who will stand by me, when I grow old,” Mahima would have thought. Mothers who hear me will understand the sentiments better. Why only mothers, I hear you asking. Because, mothers are mothers and fathers are fathers. The grand pas, like me, become mothers, as we recall  the enjoyment and excitement we had as fathers, although long back, when we see the grands kids talk wisely or play naughty.  We were all happy though surprised at Ishaan’s  action in seeking justice for his mom, who was ‘starving’ while his father and his brothers were served the snack, one after the other. He could never watch and tolerate the ‘injustice’ done to his mom. You know how his parents are diverting that kid’s surplus energy? Apart from his usual per-school course, he is coached in soccer, swimming, Tennis and piano. Kids are power stations and that vital force has to be diverted to creativity. Thrashing them in anger is throttling their creativity.
8..Never create an impression in the mind of the kid that the God is a school teacher with a stick or a police man with a gun.Teach him to love  God. Show him the sky, sun, moon, clouds and stars, if he question where the God is . Then he may ask why you are worshiping the idols in the temples and pictures in your pooja room. Tell him that they too are gods. If he grows with the knowledge that God is every where, he will love Him and NOT Fear Him..  One of the reasons for our men becoming my feather-minded, is the fear of God induced in them, in their childhood. They should not depend on God for every answer they write in the exam papers . I have seen Brahmin boys touching the feet of Ganesh or Saraswathy in the pictures on the writing pad they bring to the exam halls and reverently lifting that hand towards their head or eyes, before answering each question. This is not an exaggeration. Their parents should have instructed them to believe in their own strength. They could crack a coconut after they pass the exam, before the Ganpathy idol in the temple close to them.
Allow them to grow as a powerful personality , having faith in their own strength, fighting their own battle. And fighting means kicking back if he is kicked and hitting back if he is hit. Train your kid for that. God will help him.
Now, you may happily put down the phone. your wife wants you to prepare coffee. Don’t hit her, as she has not hit you. And nothing wrong in obeying the affectionate demands of your better half.  All brave men do that. You have become brave after reading this article.
Baltimore,
April 8, 2012
Comments:

Namaskaaram maama,
Sowkyamaa?
Adhputhamaa ezhudirukel!
Bhuvaneswar
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Dear friend,
I read your message “to hit back’.  It was so interesting that I read it in full in one go.
When one looks back, and thinks calmly, one does get a feeling that what you have said about the young Brahmin children’s rearing up.  While some of the actions of the elders are certainly useful, not allowing their children to be on their own, to face the world of reality later in their years, is perhaps a greatest disservice not only to themselves but to the growing generation of youngsters too,  We are presently in a world where talent alone is not enough, you should have other skills to succeed in life.  If a youngster is trained, from his early days, to be on his own, to think of his own, etc., it would enable him to face any situation.  Alas, we find, even today, that children are doted upon and only a very few children have the freedom to do things that they would love to do by themselves.  This has to change, and I am sure your message will bring about a radical change in the minds of every person – man or woman – the benefits of which would go not only to the ilndividuals, but also to those around them.
Thanks a lot for the thought-provoking messasge.
A. Venkatesh
D. Bhuvaneshwar
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A vibrant discussion on virginity

Friends,
When Kushubuoo used to appear on the silver screen, I am told, that her ardent fans in the front row used to  jump , dance, whistle  and clap.  I believed the news.
When,  Kushboo canvassed for Kalainger’s candidates, I am told again, that  the ilanjers ( youngsters ) 0f Chennai swirled, smelling her scented sari. I believed that news too..
But I CANNOT believe what I see before my eyes : An eighty plus man of indisputable intelligence  carrying an  elephant size orthodox ideas on his head, quoting kushboo  to support his call to youngsters to consult a lawyer and prepare a notorized document before going for nitchitarthasm.
” Khushboo, declared in public that in India, to her knowledge and information, not a single educated woman is a virgin on her marriage day”.

Who is Kushuboo ? Amartya Sen’s statistics  adviser ? Aadhaar card recorder? She is not even a census worker ! She is a cinema actor. What is her place in our discussion here ? Why should her charisma attract the veteran to drag her here ?
Should we, responsible family heads, who have sons and daughters of marriageable age, go by what she blabbers ? Accept that  as Vedavaakyam and ask our children to enter into a pre-matrimonial, signed, stamped, notorised agreement ?   And how do you accept ‘ her knowledge and information’ as a guideline for our youngsters ?

Marriage is based on belief. Human life is based on belief. If a man or woman is determined to deviate from the correct path, even one hundred written documents will not deter them.

When I go to see a girl for my son, 

” Kozhanthai kku chamkka theriyumo ? can she cook ?”. That would be my first question as I am eager that my son should not starve, she should not starve.

“Theriyumae, my daughter is expert in cooking noodle ” The proud mother will claim. 

” Parma santhosham, Very good ” I will  reply pushing a sweet chip into my mouth ,” as long is she doesn’t faint at the sight of the cooking burner, I am happy. My daughter or DIL will train her”.

“Kozhanthai padduvalo -can she sing ?” my next question.

” Oh, Latest Hindi song kelungo, first classa paduval’ proud mother again. ” she sings cinema songs well “

” Oh, more than enough, I can teach her Carnatic music”  I will give an eye-signal for the boy and girl to talk in privacy  and try to know about each other. I will move away from the scene  with my chellapetty, betel mix casket and keep an eye on what is happening in the assembly. .

If one of you in my group venture to ask the girl whether she had slept with anyone before, I will throw my vettilai petty at your head and you will never again take the risk of another pon parkal.

And your fear that American culture is invading India and gays will parade through the Kasi streets or garland Kanchi Kamakshi is all wrong. It is our culture that is overflowing in America. I had dinner this evening in Dr Kitambi’S house. There were a few other doctors too, all settled here for the past 30-40 years. They allo say that if west attacked India with their weapons earlier,we are now invading the West with our intellectual power and China with their products. Temples are coming up wherever there is an Indian enclave, they say. I myself have seen several Temples coming up. Last  Saturday I attended a sastha prethy in Tampa. Next Saturday Kitambi is organizing a Tyagraja aaradhana. Last month he organised a dance program with all blind youngsters from Bangalore. I will send you the video clippings. you will be really happy. Completely blind children between 10-20 playing  kolattam and other dances. This is not Kushuboo type certificate. 

And as I told you earlier, insinuations are not the accepted instruments for arguing in a friendly forum of dignified men and women.

And Brahmanothama!  How long are  you going to talk about Periachies and Muniyandees ?  Leave them to enjoy their toddy in their huts. Don’t go near them. Your sudham will vanish ‘sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo’

Thanks again for joining me in this enjoyable discussion. I love your prose; you love my dialogue. you love my women characters. Let our members have some fun.
 
Prnamam
sperinkulam
Ocala, Florida
Jan 28, 2012
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Dear fellow-Iyers, fellow-Brahmanas and fellow-Pattars
I heartily welcome my loving and respectful humble anujan Sri Sivasubramanian Perinkulam’s further demand:-  “Marriages and Divorces —  What’s this?”  What he really means is “Virgins and vamps  — What’s This?”
I have answered him before, quite nicely, and I shall be happy to answer him again, even more nicely:-  This is the reality in this world today.  Nothing more.  Nothing less.
Living in the United States of America, pulling the wool over your own eyes does not negate facts happening all around you.  “Pre-nups” are the norm.  Preparing for divorce before even solemnising the marriage is the norm.
Most anti-husband pre-nups are drawn up by unscrupulous lawyers to victimise the husband.  If you have not kept track of the happenings in the divorce courts of USA, then you will certainly deny, as you emphatically do now, that the Elizabeth-Taylor culture prevails.  Equally will you deny that chastity in men and women before marriage, virginity (or Brahmachaaryam as we Brahmanas term it) is a rare gem.
You are entitled to believe, and preach and teach, that all’s wonderful, all is pure as the driven snow, no sin or deceit exists, in marriages in India or in the USA, or in the world.  Also, that no divorces exist (or should exist), that marriage is forever and a day.  You are fully in line with the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church and the High Anglican Church.  But not the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints, or the myriads of Free Churches.
The ugly fact is:-  The American culture of permissiveness (mis-named “broadmindedness”) is spreading like wildfire throughout India.  We shall soon see in Varanasi, Rishikesh, Ramesvaram, Guruvayoor, Sringeri and Kanchipuram, gay parades mimicking those in San Francisco and in New York.  We shall eventually see gay priests and gay priestesses in our temples.  Preceded by agitation for freedom for gays since “all gods are equal”, “all men and women are co-equal.”  The grand and glorious culmination of Westerrn Universalism?
You might have forgotten that the once-wildly-popular cinemactress in Tqamizh films, a Muslim woman with the screen name of Khushboo, declared in public that in India, to her knowledge and information, not a single educated woman is a virgin on her marriage day.  That is “inside information” for you.  The Indian Courts upheld her right to say so.
That is what you find confirmed in connection with proceedings in the divorce courts around the world.
Of course, “women are not that bad.”  Those who are good, are very, very good;  and those who are bad are horrid. But our esteemed and educated New Prophet-Saviours condemn outright all “good” women.  You condemn them for accepting good aedice and attiring themselves in traditional “kosha-podavai” on solemn religious occasions.  You condemn them for praying to their own gods and goddesses, as they have done for generations.
Concurrently, you praise and support those who publicly and vociferously advocate that young Dvija men and girls must marry those who are outside all varnas.  You condemn those who advocate that these marry within their own varnas.  You smear and sneer at those who dare to stick by their traditional Brahminic practices day in and day out.  You praise and support those who reject all these as out-of-date and obsolete.  You condemn the notion that only Brahmanas should be priests in the sanctum sanctorums of traditional Hindu temples and recite Veda mathrams before the duly installed deities there.  You concurrently praise and support the movement to equate non-Hindu deities to traditional Hindu ones, implying that Muniandy should replace Lord Shiva and that Periyaatchee should replace Durga in all our temples.
If I have touched a raw spot, by waving a red flag of caution needed by Brqhmin bachelors in making an important lifetime decision, that was to draw attention to the existence of warts on the face of some way-out preachers and teachers.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
USB POST dtd  jan 28
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Friends,
I am ashamed to observe that a Brahmin in his eighties , a scholar, a man of maturity and wisdom, a doyen in several brahmin groups and above all a husband, a father to his daughters , a brother to his sisters , use such a rude language to talk about the women folk.

Are there any Mary in your family ” who fleeced him white as snow ?’ None in mine. Among your friends or relatives ? None in mine. Why do you threaten then, the Brahmachari Bhuvaneswar, that the girls will dumb him after marriage,divorce,remarry and all such trash. Why talk to him about Elizabeth Taylor or UK, USA Aunties, who sleep , marry and divorce, even if there are any, in those countries? Talk about our girls, Iyer, Iyengar or any brahmin girls in our agraharams, towns, cities.
Even in USA, UK, Europe and Canada I have seen several old couple taking care of their partners, having lived together for several years .In Florida where I live now husbands and wives, in their eighties and nineties, come to Malls together, sometime in push carts,shop and go.
Good and bad people are there every where.
As an elder man, advice the bachelors to look for educated girls from good families, talk to the parents, tell the girl openly about them and   also tell her what they  expect from her, discuss thoroughly all personal matters, come to a good understanding and marry. “Hire an unscrupulous lawyer and sign a pre-nuptial agreement “. Will you do that for your daughter ?
It is true that in our society, there are some divorce cases unheard of, before. Let us find out why they are happening and take steps, if possible to avoid such unfortunate events in future.
Bhuvaneswar or any other Easwar, if you go by the advice of this man of negative thoughts, you will have as partner in your bed only a  notorized document !
Why will our youngsters go by the advice of ” priests and :Prophet-Saviours of Western Universalism ?”  Don’t they have their own intelligence to depend on ?
And, a word, personally to Bhuvaneswar. As an eligible bachelor from a respectable family, you should not have talked about the pre-marital virginity in this forum. Any prospective girl who has read your article will think twice before she responses to your matrimonial  request. You are sometime in a hurry, as I can see..It is OK. You will get a lovely girl as life partner, who will make you happy,who will make your parents happy. FOUR SUCH GIRLS ENTERED MY FAMILY DURING LAST YEAR AND ONE MORE IS EXPECTED THIS YEAR.
And Bhuvaneswar, women are not that bad ! I am telling you from my personal experience. THEY ARE SIMPLY GREAT!
Love and regards,
sperinkulam
Jan 20 2012
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Dear Brahmachaari Bhuvaneshwar D
How over-sensitive, naive, and innocent you are !  Or, at least, appear to be !
Iyer forums, Brahmin forums, Brahmana Association forums, Pattar forums are today full of intimidatingly righteous feminists and female chauvinistic champions who will tear you to little bits, for daring to dent their firm-held “beliefs”  —  and “non-beliefs”.
The new Vedam is this.  Married women and unmarried girls have more rights that you.  They follow the Elizabeth Taylor creed of as many marriages, divorces, re-marriages, re-divorces as possible ad nauseam (till you vomit) within a woman’s lifetime.
There are “qualified” and unqualified divorce-advisers, just as there are marriage-counsellors   —  in the USA, UK, Europe,. and elsewhere, who run “Dear Auntie” columns in women’s  magazines and columns over the Internet and lecture in TV shows.  These she-hawks advise girls and young women to catch men for “security”, i.e. sleep with them, marry them, and divorce them —  all for their money.  (“Catch a rich man,” is their hymn. “But, dump him quickly.  And, after a decent interval look for another sap.  There’s one born every minute.  A girl must live.  And live comfortably.”)   But start divorce proceedings only after giving birth to one child.
They highlight “successful” women, who have contracted marriage after marriage, done divorce after divorce  —  and accumulated tens of millions of American dollars for themselves.  Plus country homes, beach chalets, and city condominiums, country club memberships, yachts, limousines, rare works of art,jewellery, furs and dresses, carpets, and a partridge in a pear tree.
You might not have not heard the new, revised, nursery rhyme:-
“Mary had a little lamb,
She fleeced him white as snow.”
Or heard the old ballad of the badlands:-
“If you have the money, honey,
I have the taaaaaime,
But if you have no money, honey,
I have have no more taaaaaime.”
It’s either lifelong security for the woman  —  or no marriage.
What is essential before marriage is reliable professional advice and precaution.   Simply stated, this means hiring

an unscrupulous, hard-nosed but experienced lawyer, getting him to draw up for you a water-tight and leak-proof “prenup”, that is, in American lingo, a pre-nuptial agreement to be signed and sealed before a Notary Public by your husbands-to-be and yourself, laying down that in the case of a divorce, you will get 99 percent of all their worldly assets;  and that after the divorce, you will keep all your own, plus 99% of theirs.   Only remember, your lawyer will get a cut (possibly 50%) as his fees.  He might offer to waive all or part, “for a consideration”  —  if you know what that means.
All hail, women’s lib!
Do not cringe.  There are priests and :Prophet-Saviours of Western Univerfsalism today who preach and teach that  women are equal to men, all gods are equal, all faiths are equal, that temples, mosques, synagogues, churches, voodoo and vedam are all equal, everything is equal, and so are marriages and divorces, virgins,. widows and divorcees, the barren and the fecund, the emasculated and the whole.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer


From: Bhuvaneshwar D <[email protected]>
To: “[email protected]” <[email protected]>; “[email protected]” <[email protected]>; “[email protected]” <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 2:47 PM
Subject: Virginity – reg
Dear Members,
I was shocked to see a thread on a Facebook forum for iyers, on the topic of virginity not being a yardstick to measure a girl’s character. And to my dismay there were youths pouring in saying it does not matter!
I am starting a thread that has no controversy, but will be considered highly controversial.
My arguments are (were on fb) as follows:
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Losing virginity before marriage for whatever reason is wrong for both men and women.
Saying that men have sex before marriage and so why not women does not make sense – two wrongs do not make a right – they only compound the heinousness of one another.
It’s like this – I am a virgin and I have every right to expect that my wife should be so; And a virgin girl has every right to expect her man to be a virgin. No doubt.
And yes, it is infidelity to the future spouse if one has sex before marriage; And saying loyalty after marriage alone counts is not sensible in our society and dharma. It may be ok in the west where it’s normal to sleep with many if not one person, before marriage and divorce allows a remarriage!
I am shocked this issue of virginity is brought up in an Iyer forum.  Someone quoted Kamasutra.
Kamasutra – it describes how a wife must be loyal to her husband, how she must be devoted to household duties etc. Are we following them as well?
In the name of modernity and freedom of speech, we cannot destroy out culture and dharma.
If someone is single, and virgin, because he wishes to be loyal to the girl he’d marry who he does not not know who it will be just as yet.
If a person “truly loved” someone and lost her/his virginity, that person must make it clear when looking for the next partner.
Just as the non-virgins insist on their right to marry regardless of their virginity status, the virgins have the right to know the sexual history of the potential partner and insist that they marry only virgins. Their rights to choose a partner with no sexual experience before should not be ignored.
One cannot say “it’s none of your business”, “My character does not depend on my virginity” etc. I will not judge someone’s character and make comments, but if a person refuses to tell me about her past, I will stop considering her as a potential life partner. you need not tell all and sundry about your virginity, but if a potential life partner asks about it – you are under an obligation to reveal, and this applies to both man and woman.
And will I judge a girl’s character by her virginity? I can only say this much on a public forum:
If I am looking to marry, and if the girl is a non-virgin/refuses to talk about her past, I would not marry her, however great her other “accomplishments” may be. It’s my personal choice of adhering to our dharma. And I have that right to politely refuse to go any further with the alliance talks on the grounds of her sexual past.
And if I am not looking to marry her, her sex – life is of no concern to me – I am not a moral police. So, I’d not judge her character on that.
There is another psychological problem here with women who do not want their sexual past to matter:
But I cannot rate the character of a person very high, who does not bother to think of being loyal to the person who she is eventually going to marry, however deep she may be in love, however a smooth talker the boy she loves might turn out to be. marry, tie the yellow thread and have sex all day, who cares?
Many of them want their loss of virginity to be accepted as they want it, regardless of what men and society think!
Now, a marriage is a union of a man and woman – if a man does not want to marry a non-virgin – that should be respected, as he is a partner and he has the right to choose to marry a virgin.
Women cannot bullishly state that men should not question their virginity and that they have the right to not disclose it to their potential partner.
If a lady is ok with losing her virginity, she should be ok with honestly saying that to the potential partner BEFORE MARRIAGE. So that the guy gets to decently move away if he wants to marry a virgin.
To hide it is a violation of the husband’s rights and emotions, when he legitimately wants to marry a virgin, himself being one.
There is a fine line of difference between asserting one’s own rights and doing so the extent of denying others theirs.
Bhuvaneshwar D
Comments :
Thanks for keeping me in the loop.
I have shared this exchange also.
Keep it up.
I am enjoying myself.
It is as thrilling as an India Pakistan ODI or T20 match.
Regards
GV
————————————————From: Indian Homemaker <[email protected]>
Date: 29 January 2012 20:49:50 GMT+05:30
To: G Vishwanath <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: SP’s dignified reply to NSI’s sarcastic mail on BD’s post on virginity.
Aww!!! That’s such a matured, sensible wise letter!! Hats off. Such sensible and respectable advice to BD who I think has heard too much advice of the other type. My admiration for SP has gone still higher. Thanks for —–sharing.
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in a way in this discussion i feel u have returned their dignity back to them instead of speaking like a market product it is men who should know what to discuss in so much an elaboration in a forum like this, it is very cheap minded and stooping so low to talk about women like this, do they really need a bride when every second they watch a fair skin walking all around and salivating most times
with kind regards
sundari kannan